[ Dolphin Emulator ] Where Is it Extracting the Better Textures & Resolution if GC or Wii Maxes Out at 480p?

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[ Dolphin Emulator ] Where Is it Extracting the Better Textures & Resolution if GC or Wii Maxes Out at 480p?

Post#1 » Wed Feb 10, 2016 10:55 pm

Hi. The Wii and GC games max out at 480p but the image becomes more beautiful (like when one upgrades to a Dreamcast VGA box) when they're on the Dolphin. Cleaner beautiful graphics (almost no anti-aliasing, more defined textures).

Where is Dolphin getting the more high quality textures (they're significant even compared to Wii on component) and more resolution (aka sharper) at 720p that is not scaled? Are all GC and Wii games originally made with textures and resolution at 780p but the GC and Wii hardware is limited to just 480p max?

If yes, is this the only console were developers created their games higher resolution and better textures but people play at lower resolutions and lower textures coz' of the hardware limitations.

Or a hacker modded the textures in Dolphin games like you would with PC open world like GTA and Fallout (if that is so hopefully they make the Ocarina better than the 3DS graphics and maybe they should create Shenmue HD 1 and 2:-)

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Re: [ Dolphin Emulator ] Where Is it Extracting the Better Textures & Resolution if GC or Wii Maxes Out at 480p?

Post#2 » Wed Feb 10, 2016 11:32 pm

All GC and Wii games have low resolution textures and are designed to be rendered at 480i/p. Dolphin renders games at 2, 3, or 4x higher resolution, which cleans up the existing textures and makes them look crisper. The textures still have SD levels of detail; it just becomes easier to see the existing details when you render the game in HD and use AA/AF to smooth and sharpen the graphics. All you get with a Wii HDMI adapter is 480p graphics stretched to 720p or 1080p, which doesn't look that good. Rendering the SD graphics in HD is what causes the improvement, and real GC/Wii hardware is not powerful enough to do that.

In order to get truly HD graphics, you must replace the existing SD textures with HD textures that have more detail. Many user created texture packs exist for this purpose, but you have to download them separately.
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Re: [ Dolphin Emulator ] Where Is it Extracting the Better Textures & Resolution if GC or Wii Maxes Out at 480p?

Post#3 » Thu Feb 11, 2016 12:04 am

Hi. Thanks. The Dolphin makers are talented, it auto makes the textures better (no texture modding needed- that seems to be better than how photo editors resample a low resolution image to a larger resolution) and anti-aliases things at 720p. I hope someone hacks the emulator or textures into a GC memory card (or mod a GC to have Flashdrive) or Wii SD Card (or USB hardrive) and a VGA or HDMI (even DVI) box for the GC and Wii and somehow a DIY cable and connection to Wii/GC much like how the expansion pack in N64 enhances the graphics to add to the cartridge's graphics.

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Re: [ Dolphin Emulator ] Where Is it Extracting the Better Textures & Resolution if GC or Wii Maxes Out at 480p?

Post#4 » Thu Feb 11, 2016 3:58 am

There is no way for a GC or Wii to match what Dolphin can do. Real hardware doesn't have enough VRAM to render games at HD resolutions, nor does it have enough processing power in the GPU to run the game at full speed at HD resolutions. Real hardware doesn't have the ability to handle 4x SSAA or 16x AF, either. One of the main benefits of emulators is that they can exceed the capabilities of old hardware by taking advantage of modern hardware to enhance old games.
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Re: [ Dolphin Emulator ] Where Is it Extracting the Better Textures & Resolution if GC or Wii Maxes Out at 480p?

Post#5 » Thu Feb 11, 2016 10:31 am

Thanks. Does it mean the Wii and GC games were actually created at 720p max by the developers with their GC and Wii dev kits much like Dreamcast games were created by developers at 480p but most were playing back then at SD in their SD TVs? Does this mean if Nintendo or if Hanzo or chinese Retrobit makers (it's just renamed to different brands I think) somehow created a VGA box for the GC and Wii, its games can be played at 720p (not scaled), use the GC controller and GC/Wii but it'll look like Dolphin's graphics?

That third-party cable should be made then:-) (at affordable price coz' VGA won't need that special chip in the GC component cable).

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Post#6 » Thu Feb 11, 2016 6:41 pm

No. GC and Wii games all use tiny low-resolution textures and are designed to be displayed at 480p at most, which is the highest resolution both consoles are capable of transmitting and the resolution both consoles use when rendering their graphics. Dolphin simply allows you to render the graphics at higher resolutions. This makes the SD textures crisper and cleaner, but it doesn't add any extra detail. You need a true HD game with HD textures in order to achieve true HD graphics.

The GC and Wii hardware is unable to render games above 480p and cannot transmit video signals at resolutions above 480p. HD output from real GC/Wii hardware is impossible, as the hardware is too slow and doesn't have enough memory to generate HD output. Dolphin has superior capabilities to real hardware, and no GC/Wii accessories can change that.
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Re: [ Dolphin Emulator ] Where Is it Extracting the Better Textures & Resolution if GC or Wii Maxes Out at 480p?

Post#7 » Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:27 am

Thanks. Dreamcast trumps Gamecube then when it comes to rendering higher resolution (maybe not textures) coz' Dreamcast can do VGA even though it's the older hardware?

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Post#8 » Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:36 am

Both DC and GC can output 480p for NTSC games. The only difference is that DC uses VGA while GC uses component, and PAL DC games usually support 480p, while PAL GC games do not.
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Re: [ Dolphin Emulator ] Where Is it Extracting the Better Textures & Resolution if GC or Wii Maxes Out at 480p?

Post#9 » Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:40 am

Isn't VGA superior to component? If someone somehow creates a VGA box for the GC or Wii, it's going to be better than component but lesser than Dolphin's graphics then?

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Re: [ Dolphin Emulator ] Where Is it Extracting the Better Textures & Resolution if GC or Wii Maxes Out at 480p?

Post#10 » Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:44 am

Wait there's already something like aVGA box for one for Wii the Wii2HDMI. I hope the same makers make one for GC.

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