Has anyone tried this trick with PSO ver 2 before?

[game_player_s]

Mind you I've yet to play any of AI's quests. But AI is a friend of mine and I know he made the quests because he really wanted to, not for the sole purpose of making some of the unobatinable blocked items obtainable. Though, from how this conversation has been going that aspect has apparently worked its way into his quests.

As a legit player, I do find it concerning that one could obtain items through play of these quests which would flag them as illegitmate players. However, one could simply dispose of these questionable items to regain legit status across all of the servers. Or, perhaps not considered, if you wish to keep said items and not be flagged elswhere, create a character just for use on the one server where said items are regarded as legit and store all of said items in that one characters inventory.

What it all boils down to is a conflict of past knowledge. Many of us (myself included), who were deeply engrossed with PSO back when it was still officially online, are well versed in what items Sonic Team blocked out from availability in PSO V2. Meaning items that do actually exist in the game's coding but for reasons never made clear were banned from being obtainable, items such as the Elenor Mag and the Black Ring. To this day the question remains why they even left these items in the coding when they had no intention of making them available. Mostly at least, we do have a reasonable idea as to why the Black Ring was banned, check it's stats:
http://www.segaforums.com/psoarchive/da ... fabs2.html

Black Ring gives the bearer the highest EVP and DFP combined of any other known V2 shield along with high Ice resistance. Making it the perfect shield to have equipped when going up against DF. We theorize, that in play testing, Sonic Team discovered that this made Ultimate Mode DF much to easy for whoever had this item equipped so it got banned.

But getting to the point, persons who never got very deeply into PSO, or perhaps never played V2 back in the era are unlikely to be aware of the mystery regarding the banned items and may be entirely unaware that some of the items obtainable through these quests were ever banned in the first place. Leading to legit players playing these quests, excitedly obtaining these "rare" items, and then becoming baffled as to why all of the other servers now have them flagged as illegitimate players. I think the key here is to remember that just because someone has obtained possesion of these items through AI's quests doesn't make that person an illegitimate player. My suggestion is that if this is of such a great concern that the quests should have a disclaimer added in their quest descriptions at the Guild counter. Sort of like this:

"Certain items which can be obtained through successful completion of this quest may be flagged as hacked items by other PSO ships."

I believe a simple disclaimer like that would resolve this issue and clear up any confusion.

Personally, I look forward to eventually getting back online and playing the new quests on Altimira, and any other new quests that have been made that I'm not yet aware of. Will I keep any of the special items from AI's quests? Sure, I've got plenty of VMU's, so as suggested I'll just make a new character to transfer the inventory of questionable items to and use that character exclusively on Altimira, simple as that.

[K_I_R_E_E_K]

To this day the question remains why they even left these items in the coding when they had no intention of making them available.

PSO on the dreamcast isn't like the recent games or like PSO BB, they had to do things and then make them avaiable online with quests, TTF is a fine example.
Take PSO on the GC, once they fixed a few bugs, they added some online quests for offline and released pso ep1&2+
They made things and later they decided to unlock them, just like TTF used items to evolve system mags, they probably had the idea of releasing a quest to use join parts and other items to receive other mags/items.

They changed this aspect on GC as items can actually be used offline (for example SJS transforms into TJS), on v2 you need quests and sega used an exchange system, you give items and you get others in return.
No more quests where done so what was unobtaible stays that way, ppl are free to change this, but on vega they must know the implications.

The elenor mag is used, but it's used by a npc, for that quest the mag had to be included in the game data, otherwise such thing would not be possible, at the time they had to plan ahead, that's not an easy thing to do.

Black Ring gives the bearer the highest EVP and DFP combined of any other known V2 shield along with high Ice resistance. Making it the perfect shield to have equipped when going up against DF

incorrect, falz ignores your dfp and evp completely and so do the darvants, even with 1 million dfp and evp you would face the same difficulties.
Rabarta doesn't do much damage, darvants, megid and dark falz blade slash are usually the ones that kill you, ice resistance will not help you.

It's obvious that me and other players have some tolerance, it's not because you played 1 run with a illegit item or player that you become illegit beyond repair, this is not the same as the propagation of error, where an incorrect value will affect all calcs done.
Items can be droped, but exp cannot, while 1 or 2 levels are ok, ppl that use hacked needles to make lvl 150 chars can't come into legit games, even if they decide that beyond lvl 150 they will play legit.
Some tolerance is okay, but 100 levels is a bit to much.

The quests can be done and items can be collected, in a vega/iselia legit games, they will stay in the bank, otherwise they will be blocked from entering the game.
So the problem is basicly having these items and entering the legit game, you will notice that it will be impossible (vega and iselia), if anyone enters while knowing the items, exp or anything else is not legit, then they risk someone complaining about the situation and no arguments presented by the user will avoid the punishment that will be inflicted.

I noticed that the majority of players know where they can enter, it's completely different from dc/pc only ship on schtserv, where mods where very lazy and players abused the legit command to trick players into thinking they were legit.
Here they avoid that completely, because they know this isn't schtserv moderation and neither are the rules, so it's better to play safe then to risk getting banned from the server.
That's basicly the reason why i never encountered a problem.

"Certain items which can be obtained through successful completion of this quest may be flagged as hacked items by other PSO ships."

This will not be done because the problem is the quests avaiable for download and the altimira quests, do you really think AI will place that info on his quests? he had trouble accepting the fact that 2 TTFs where the best solution, but because of "that will make my quest less legit" then he didn't make it.
Meaning if he didn't care about something in "his" ship, why would he care about other ships?
You can try, that's a change that will affect only altimira and in the end common sense is always better.
I can't say i like the idea or not as it does not involve vega in any way.
As you can see, on vega (when it comes online) 2 TTFs exist and only exp can be gained, still takes some effort and alot of patience to actually abuse the quest in order to lvl up.

[Macabre]

But some items are made exclusively for quest finding? The hunwer claws from rappys holiday, isn't that an official item from an official quest?

I don't think there is any other way in the game to obtain those claws. And they are not overpowered in any way - just average for ultimate, and specific to only one character.

[K_I_R_E_E_K]

Yes some items are quest only such as hamburger mag, yamagarasu, blue ring, mark3 mag,....
If the item is obtained in a official quest then i believe it's not blocked in the legit games.

I have looked into guides and stuff so that all quest items in official quests are ok, but these new quests that are circulating often release the same items with different stats or they release unobtainables

[BlueCrab]

I have a quick question.. Have you even looked at what the quests give out that you are deeming so non-legit, or are you arguing just for the sake of arguing at this point? The way you speak, it seems like you're implying that the whole world falls apart just because someone plays one of Ives' quests on Altimira.

Guess what, if people are playing on Altimira with the "Enhancement Pack", they're not likely to try to play on other ships in /legit mode. Plain and simple. There's no reason for Ives to add a stupid disclaimer to the quests or anything else like that. If you have a problem with them, don't play them. Its that easy.

Carrying on this crusade is pointless, stupid, and only seems to try to convince people that anyone playing on Altimira is an evil person for doing so.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Everyone has a different idea of what "legit" really is. Everyone has their own play style. Everyone has their own preferences. That's why we have such a variation in the ships that exist. Each has their own rules and "features" to try to cater to their audience. If you don't like the way one ship is run, don't play there, its that easy.

Carrying on a crusade against Ives and everything he does to try to improve PSO for the community that is on Altimira is pointless and doesn't do anything to help the community at large.

Please, just drop it. You don't see him carrying on a crusade against you in public, do you? I really don't understand what it is between you two that gets you so worked up, and I don't know that I want to. Please, bury the hatchet. Arguments like this only make the community look bad.

[K_I_R_E_E_K]

There is no bad guy here.
The legit command used on iselia and vega contains some verifications to detect some items released in ives quests and as you might remember a log once apeared on vega with the info of wich items where blocked.

and I don't know that I want to

I'm not against him, i'm saying the implications that some things have on vega, i can't say it in another way
I'm stating what is the reality, it won't change even when ppl get buthurt, they either accept it or change ship, it's that simple, that's why some avoid vega/iselia and why some go to vega/iselia.

So i don't like him, big deal, nothing changes even if i did like him.

[DCUltrapro]

I love Vega personally, don't worry about it guys we all have the choice to play on whatever server we wish.

Personally I like Vega as the opportunity to play 100% legit is always there. Only problem is that I haven't been able to FIND Vega for AGES!!! Is it still down guys? Actually ignore that I will raise it in the thread about server status.... sorry! and long live PSO private servers

[K_I_R_E_E_K]

It's up again, using the latest revision without problems with the quests

[DCUltrapro]

awesome I think I will try it out tonight. Your a leg-end mate

[BlueCrab]

For future reference, Iselia is configured pretty much identically to Vega. The legit list is the same, the quests are pretty much the same (although Vega has TTF++ (at least I assume it still does) and Iselia has my quest Global Warming).