Hypothetical Gradual Transition

[MistaBuck]

Hey all!

Today, After doing some thinking, I had an idea...

Today, Sega constantly says that They aren't going back into the console market. This is because they Can't.
Sure they still have relevance in Japan (see earlier topics), but with the rest of the World? Besides Sonic, no.

I'm not saying they don't have the money,
or Manpower,
or anything like that...
I'm saying that they don't have the Staying power or relevance necessary.

Face it. Outside the Sega fandom/ Gamer community, Sega, besides Sonic, is virtually unknown. It's not that they can't make a console, its that they Know it won't succeed.

For Sega to launch a new console, even in Japan, There needs to be some Gradual Changes.

The first step has already been completed; reviving Sonic's image. Within the last 2 years, the scores, and reception of sonic games have increased substantially. It would seem as though Sonic is back...

After Sonic is back on his feet, Sega needs to Reinvent Itself.

Everything from their Marketing, to their website, to the way they make, and market games... Everything needs to be changed.

They should be reminiscent of their past, as well as being more "modernized" in their approach. They should be able to attract a large variety of people; Gamers, Sega Fans, Casuals, New Gamers, and everyone else. To make a long story short, Sega should Extend itself beyond its fanbase

while they attempts to recreate its image, Sega should also revive some of its IPs as well as Making new experiences.

Bringing old franchises to a new era of gamers should be a priority. Make a game experience that not only attracts nostalgic gamers, but new gamers as well.

As well as bringing back old favorites, New games should also be developed. I see Sega doing that Now with Binary Domain, and Rhythm Thief. This trend should definitely continue.

The last two things I said basically intertwines. What Sega need to do is make itself popular outside of Japan Again. They need the mass appeal that Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft has. They need to have the right marketing that attracts anyone and everyone. They need people to acknowledge that Sega makes good games, and Sega is cool.

As I said, This will be a Gradual thing. It might take 5 years, It might take 10... however long it takes. Rome wasn't built in a day.

In my opinion, Sega needs to be among the Top 5 third party game developers to ever think about going back into consoles.

To sup it all up:

The reason Sega doesn't make a console, and why SegaSammy considers it "unprofitable" is because of their staying power in international regions. If they were to Gradually Improve their selves in these markets, there might be a chance...

In other words its, theoretically possible.

I gotta wrap this up. My dad wants to go on...
see ya!

[MrSega]

Great points MistaBuck! I personally and CruSega all feel that SEGA has ALOT of work to do if they want to successfully launch a console outside of Japan. This is why I think they've given the KP/dc Pad alot more thought and seem to be putting more effort into it.

2012 may be the year SEGA focuses mainly on two priorities: KP/dc Pad and its NEW Digital Only multiplatform structure. I am starting to conclude that RINGWAVE/Futura MAY only launch in Japan next year with a slight chance of a US test market and it could be LIKELY that the machine COULD be launched in America a few months ahead of Xbox Loop.

In reguards to the Wii U and Vita, The Vita had a well...NOT immpressive launch. 321,000 units in 48 hours. Good, but nothing siginificant. SEGA must be paying serious attention to these sales figures.

http://www.1up.com/news/vita-sells-321k-launch-japan

And Nintendo fanboys may be getting an "F" you at CES next month. The SAME shit they heard at E3 about Wii U, NO new titles,new info and the blunt news that thier machine may retail at $450 or $600.

http://www.1up.com/news/wii-u-ces-12

[stu]

Hey all!

Today, After doing some thinking, I had an idea...

Today, Sega constantly says that They aren't going back into the console market. This is because they Can't.
Sure they still have relevance in Japan (see earlier topics), but with the rest of the World? Besides Sonic, no.

I'm not saying they don't have the money,
or Manpower,
or anything like that...
I'm saying that they don't have the Staying power or relevance necessary.

Face it. Outside the Sega fandom/ Gamer community, Sega, besides Sonic, is virtually unknown. It's not that they can't make a console, its that they Know it won't succeed.

For Sega to launch a new console, even in Japan, There needs to be some Gradual Changes.

The first step has already been completed; reviving Sonic's image. Within the last 2 years, the scores, and reception of sonic games have increased substantially. It would seem as though Sonic is back...

After Sonic is back on his feet, Sega needs to Reinvent Itself.

Everything from their Marketing, to their website, to the way they make, and market games... Everything needs to be changed.

They should be reminiscent of their past, as well as being more "modernized" in their approach. They should be able to attract a large variety of people; Gamers, Sega Fans, Casuals, New Gamers, and everyone else. To make a long story short, Sega should Extend itself beyond its fanbase

while they attempts to recreate its image, Sega should also revive some of its IPs as well as Making new experiences.

Bringing old franchises to a new era of gamers should be a priority. Make a game experience that not only attracts nostalgic gamers, but new gamers as well.

As well as bringing back old favorites, New games should also be developed. I see Sega doing that Now with Binary Domain, and Rhythm Thief. This trend should definitely continue.

The last two things I said basically intertwines. What Sega need to do is make itself popular outside of Japan Again. They need the mass appeal that Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft has. They need to have the right marketing that attracts anyone and everyone. They need people to acknowledge that Sega makes good games, and Sega is cool.

As I said, This will be a Gradual thing. It might take 5 years, It might take 10... however long it takes. Rome wasn't built in a day.

In my opinion, Sega needs to be among the Top 5 third party game developers to ever think about going back into consoles.

To sup it all up:

The reason Sega doesn't make a console, and why SegaSammy considers it "unprofitable" is because of their staying power in international regions. If they were to Gradually Improve their selves in these markets, there might be a chance...

In other words its, theoretically possible.

I gotta wrap this up. My dad wants to go on...
see ya!

I pretty much agree with most of this. Sega needs to pull themselves up to the kind of level that EA and Activision currently occupy before they can even think of taking on Sony and Microsoft. Games like Sonic Generations etc are a start, but it will take a long time, 5-10 years like you said.

Anyone who beleives that Sega is about to launch either a tablet or console next year is living in a dream world.
I haven't seen any signs that this is going to happen anyway tbh (launching a game console and a tablet in 2012? Riight! ).

I've said it before and will say it again, I beleive it would be better for Sega to focus on building their software up and making the division profitable again before embarking on a risky venture like developing and marketing a console/tablet. (you have to remember that Sega-Sammy maybe making a profit, but that is mainly thanks to the Panchinko division, the consumer games division, aka Sega Corporation, still has been losing money.)

[MistaBuck]

@stu

indeed.

I especially like the part about the Pachinko branch of SegaSammy being the bigger moneymaker. If Sega gets their rep. improved on an international scale, maybe their video games division could come close to matching the pachinko branch...

In fact, I think that the only way SegaSammy would allow a new console is if they somehow became as valuable as their pachinko opetations.

[MrSega]

@stu. Umm..They are building a NEW tablet. Don't deny the evidence. Plus its OBVIOUS it'll launch next year since it was suppossed to come out in 2011. Also, if they weren't they WHY did they update the trademark to be safely entered in for Beta stage proccessing? And Why does the latest patent issued in November have the term "CLUBSEGA" in it?

Stop boxing SEGA in. You " SEGA software only" people are grating. They ARE entering the tablet market.

[MrSega]

@stu

indeed.

I especially like the part about the Pachinko branch of SegaSammy being the bigger moneymaker. If Sega gets their rep. improved on an international scale, maybe their video games division could come close to matching the pachinko branch...

In fact, I think that the only way SegaSammy would allow a new console is if they somehow became as valuable as their pachinko opetations.

That's why their going digital only multiplatform wise. So they improve their brand name overseas & why their probably taking baby steps back into hardware with KP/dc Pad. Launching a new console in Japan is a no brainer. Wii U is projected to be a major flop in Japan, there's no sign of Playstation 4 & since Xbox Loop is another "Xbox" it won't sell in Japan.

[SEGA-TUDE]

they'd be fine if they bring back all the dreamcast games and continue those game series. also with new titles and third party game companies like capcom and such. i mean ther are alot of devoted sega fans and they'd just be even more devoted if sega releases a console plus bringing new fans.

i mean if its true that its gonna be a all digital download console. thats the only thing id personally dislike. i like having my software games physically.

[stu]

@stu. Umm..They are building a NEW tablet. Don't deny the evidence. Plus its OBVIOUS it'll launch next year since it was suppossed to come out in 2011. Also, if they weren't they WHY did they update the trademark to be safely entered in for Beta stage proccessing? And Why does the latest patent issued in November have the term "CLUBSEGA" in it?

Stop boxing SEGA in. You " SEGA software only" people are grating. They ARE entering the tablet market.

Whatever, like I said, keep dreaming MrSega!
All you have is a trademark that is being applied for by SEGA TOYS, nothing else, no specs, no confirmed developers, NOTHING. If you want to keep waiting for this mythical "super tablet" you keep claiming is going to happen then knock yourself out bud.
I just know that we'll be here this time next year and you'll still be making the same predictions about either "Kids Pad", "SegaDrive", "Neptunia", or maybe you'll have gone full circle and gone back to that "RingEdge download device" you were talking about last year!

[stu]

@stu

indeed.

I especially like the part about the Pachinko branch of SegaSammy being the bigger moneymaker. If Sega gets their rep. improved on an international scale, maybe their video games division could come close to matching the pachinko branch...

In fact, I think that the only way SegaSammy would allow a new console is if they somehow became as valuable as their pachinko opetations.

I quite agree, I think the ONLY way Sega-Sammy is going to even consider re-entering the console market is IF the consumer games division starts to consistantly turn a profit and become one of the main providers of their profits. I'm afraid right now, that is a long way from happening. My 2 cents..

[MrSega]

@stu. Umm..They are building a NEW tablet. Don't deny the evidence. Plus its OBVIOUS it'll launch next year since it was suppossed to come out in 2011. Also, if they weren't they WHY did they update the trademark to be safely entered in for Beta stage proccessing? And Why does the latest patent issued in November have the term "CLUBSEGA" in it?

Stop boxing SEGA in. You " SEGA software only" people are grating. They ARE entering the tablet market.

Whatever, like I said, keep dreaming MrSega!
All you have is a trademark that is being applied for by SEGA TOYS, nothing else, no specs, no confirmed developers, NOTHING. If you want to keep waiting for this mythical "super tablet" you keep claiming is going to happen then knock yourself out bud.
I just know that we'll be here this time next year and you'll still be making the same predictions about either "Kids Pad", "SegaDrive", "Neptunia", or maybe you'll have gone full circle and gone back to that "RingEdge download device" you were talking about last year!

Wow, you are a troll. Keep dreaming about PS4 cause it ain't happening. It's in your imagination.

There's no need to put words in people's mouths. If you don't believe any SEGA speculation, why are you bothering? Simple? So you can discourage it. You come across as a rude,obnoxious anti-Sega troll and tend to hijack other people's topics.

And "SEGADRIVE" is a protoype for an arcade trademark that will never be used. It never was anything more than that. If you're trying to accuse me of being SEGANEWSWIRE or making this report up, I'm not. They're the one's who got that mixed up as a console or whatever.

RingEdge is OLD news. OLD. So shut up about it. It's a shortlived mid range board that SEGA is already abandoning. It's not 2009. So stop acting like it is.

I go by patents and detailed trademarks. Because that's all we have from SEGA. SEGA is too secretive hush hush about anything that goes on in their R&D. And your being a prick trying to discourage with nothing to back it up.