New here. Saw a dude selling bootleg DC games on FB marketplace.

[Tabx91]

Hey guys, I'm a huge fan of retro games and have a small collection of consoles and games relative to a lot of what I see online.
For those interested i have a Nes, SNES, Virtual Boy, GBC, 3DS, Genesis (w/32x and CD), Saturn, DC, PC Engine Duo-R, PS2, Xbox, Wii, WiiU, Ps3, ps4, Xbox360, Xbone.

Dreamcast has always been one of my favorite consoles and when I saw this dude selling these homebrew games I thought it was kind of crappy for the community.

He also sells licensed game "backups" with printed artwork in thin jewel cd cases as well...

On a side note Super Mario Allstars 2 does look interesting though...

Here is the link to his post: https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/it ... 784100782/

[Anthony817]

These people are selling what are known as "Repros" AKA "Reproductions". They are quite popular on sites like Etsy and eBay as well. These are nothing new. They go back decades with multiple systems. They are so prevalent on the Dreamcast because no reason to mod the console to play backups which is essentially what these are. You may see them for other older systems like PSX or Saturn but you still have to do something to the console to play games like Pseudo Saturn cart or PSIO or something else. Just a stock Dreamcast can play these so peple who collect games like to have a physical version. I would absolutely pay for a collection of prefessionaly pressed copies of Half-Life Dreamcast and all dozen or so of it's total conversion mods for the system.

No need to feel like you have to "Call out" or "Expose" these people. They've been around for decades, so I say live and let live. Only reason I don't much care for them personally is all my consoles are modded and I play games from other media, like on my Dreamcast I have GDEMU, OG Xbox and PS3 I play games from HD. I don't have a lot of space where I live so having hundreds of games taking up shelf space is not something I can do or care much about.

Also, how in the hell is it "crappy for the community"? Sega makes no money from any of these retail games, nor does any 3rd party publishers. Only thing which is WIDELY looked down upon is linking to and or sharing downloads to indie produced games. Not homebrew, I can tell you right now the majority of the community differentiates between Indie and Homebrew games. One is sold and one is freely available and shared. Indie games are not to be shared, and if they are on the link you shared I am going to have to request you remove the link please sir? The community does not tolerate sharing of Indie devs games, lest we want to contribute towards the downfall of our retro community and kill off the market for Indie produced games.

[Ian Micheal]

I know unless he is using my build of snes4all it run like jerky crap so not be much point in your buying it

You be able to get this free soon enff



Version 2 is just a hack rom

[AgentMomo]

For Dreamcast this has a purpose , People want like $80 for a game missing it's case etc ,

and also , Some people don't want to buy a stack of CDRs just to burn one game
especially if the cdrs are expensive as well LOL.

[WedgeStratos]

Live and let live, that's a very fair argument from Anthony. I personally feel like it's a joke to be buying repros of legitimate games. You're paying someone else to buy a stack of CD-Rs, and burn an inferior version of the actual game. If you can stomach that 90% of that money you're spending is going toward "labor" and profit, go ahead.

I just feel like people are putting more focus on the image, the facade of being a collector, rather than actually... owning the games they like. I do fully get the argument that you're no longer supporting the original developers, but I'd argue buying reproductions of legitimate retail games is a complete rip-off.

You should only ever buy a reproduction if A: it's homebrew and you like that posterity, or B: it's a game that has no physical copy or is so impossibly rare that "owning" it isn't a thing. A game that costs $80 based on the market, I don't consider that rare, I just consider that highly valued. Half-Life, sure, get a repro, but don't go buying someone's $20 reproduction of Sonic Adventure 2. You're literally paying someone to burn a copy of a game that has worse audio, may have compressed textures, or is even flat-out missing content. A repro of PSO? I'll bet you it's based on the Ives version, so it will automatically connect to Sylverant, and it's also legit missing the multilingual introduction, and will crash after 30 minutes on the title screen. Nice repro.

That's my hot take.

[Ian Micheal]

Main problem is most of it using very old out dated releases that have peoples or dev's names on them like me or chui ..

People been selling my SGA's and other things 2003.. Yes i have at times got them removed from ebay or other places when there claiming they did them

[Retro-45]

I mean what is the point in buying a reproduction of a homebrew game, software, or even retail games if you can buy a stack of blank cds pretty cheap. If if they were making reproduction of indie games why not just buy from the developer themselves so you help support them instead of some random guy burning cds of other people work.

[Ian Micheal]

I mean what is the point in buying a reproduction of a homebrew game, software, or even retail games if you can buy a stack of blank cds pretty cheap. If if they were making reproduction of indie games why not just buy from the developer themselves so you help support them instead of some random guy burning cds of other people work.

Indeed and you can get all these and make the homebrew disks one's self..

$15 for 100 cdrs on amazon i dont see how thats costing a lot.. usb dvd burner about $19

Plus the fact these people are profiting for other dev's work with out any care at all Homebrew or indie game makes no change just because some one charges money for it..

I have seen both my ground up games being sold on esty Only trouble comes when money is made on selling roms combine with work i had down makes it look to others like I'm selling roms..

[Ian Micheal]

I mean what is the point in buying a reproduction of a homebrew game, software, or even retail games if you can buy a stack of blank cds pretty cheap. If if they were making reproduction of indie games why not just buy from the developer themselves so you help support them instead of some random guy burning cds of other people work.

Indeed and you can get all these and make the homebrew disks one's self..

$15 for 100 cdrs on amazon i dont see how thats costing a lot.. usb dvd burner about $19

Plus the fact these people are profiting for other dev's work with out any care at all Homebrew or indie game makes no change just because some one charges money for it..

I have seen both my ground up games being sold on esty Only trouble comes when money is made on selling roms combine with work i had done makes it look to others like I'm selling roms..

there was a time i not include any rom of any sort even the IP.bin in any release .. because of that.. I once in 2003 got a letter at the time from sega telling me to remove the ip.bins and not to include any copyright logo's or other wise in my homebrew .. I sent them a reply with the fact i was using Kos and not katana etc and anyways ....

If homebrew release is given away free to the public paying for that release is really not fair to anyways..

Old saying teach a man to fish he can feed him self a life time.. If the person is not willing to learn how to burn use there homebrew let them pay for it.. Plus the fact now with SD card and $12 serial card reader they can play most homebrew with out costing much at all no cdrs

[ChristinaDreamcustDC]

Main problem is most of it using very old out dated releases that have peoples or dev's names on them like me or chui ..

People been selling my SGA's and other things 2003.. Yes i have at times got them removed from ebay or other places when there claiming they did them

Yes, bootleg releases are often like a time capsule of early rip releases, homebrew, emulators, etc. As Ian says, they are not known to use recent versions. I have never bought one, but comments on forums usually indicate that the burned discs use older CDI images. Furthermore, whenever I see them pop up for DC or PS2 on eBay, I see from Youtube videos that the releases are indeed usually older.

I do not buy them myself, but I always like to look at the artwork from the online listings, good or because it fullfils my interest.