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Re: Retro-Bit DC Controller

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 8:38 pm
by megavolt85
Motoracer5 wrote: I had a Dreampad with a soft reset mod. To reset a Dreamcast it needs to see A+B+X+Y+Start. If you used D it wouldn't reset, it would just see a D input
this is not a problem with software implementation
one button can emulate several actions, for example, with a short press it will work like D, and with a long press it will work like A + B + X + Y + START

Re: Retro-Bit DC Controller

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:55 am
by Motoracer5
megavolt85 wrote:this is not a problem with software implementation
one button can emulate several actions, for example, with a short press it will work like D, and with a long press it will work like A + B + X + Y + START
Long press for that function would have been nice. So many accidental resets while passing the controller

Re: Retro-Bit DC Controller

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:02 am
by Roareye
Perhaps a long hold on START would work, that way the button is out of the way and hard to accidentally hold down.

Re: Retro-Bit DC Controller

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:23 pm
by Roareye
Roareye wrote:GAMES THAT WOULD BENEFIT FROM A SECOND STICK AND ADDITIONAL BUTTON CONTROLS

TITLE - Genre - Current Layout, Custom Layout (Modded/Needs Modding)
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ARMY MEN: SARGE'S HEROES - Third Person Shooter - STICK: Move/Turn, RT+STICK: Strafe , LSTICK: Move/Strafe, RSTICK: Turn, RT: Fire (Needs Modding)
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BLUE STINGER - Third Person Shooter - STICK: Move/Turn, LT+STICK: Look , LSTICK: Move/Turn, RSTICK: Look (Needs Modding)
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CYBER TROOPERS: VIRTUAL ON - Mech Shooter - ..., ... (May be compatible due to Twin Sticks?)
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DRACONUS: CULT OF THE WYRM - Third Person RPG - STICK: Move, LT+RT+STICK: Look, LT/RT: Strafe , LSTICK: Move Forward/Back+Strafe, RSTICK: Look/Turn (Needs Modding)
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FUR FIGHTERS - Third Person Shooter - STICK: Look & Turn, ABXY: Strafe & Move, DPAD: Weapons, LSTICK: Strafe & Move, RSTICK: Look & Turn, ABXY: Weapons (Needs Modding)
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HALF LIFE - First Person Shooter - STICK: Look, ABXY: Move/Strafe, DPAD: Jump/Light/Crouch/Use, LT+DPAD: Alt Fire/Reload/Previous+Next Weapons , LSTICK: Move/Strafe, RSTICK: Look, LT: Alt Fire, ABCDXYZ: Jump/Light/Crouch/Use/Reload/ Previou+Next Weapons (Needs Modding)
HALF LIFE: BLUE SHIFT - First Person Shooter - STICK: Look, ABXY: Move/Strafe, DPAD: Jump/Light/Crouch/Use, LT+DPAD: Alt Fire/Reload/Previous+Next Weapons , LSTICK: Move/Strafe, RSTICK: Look, LT: Alt Fire, ABCDXYZ: Jump/Light/Crouch/Use/Reload/ Previou+Next Weapons (Needs Modding)
HALF LIFE: COUNTER-STRIKE - First Person Shooter - STICK: Look, ABXY: Move/Strafe, DPAD: Jump/Light/Crouch/Use, LT+DPAD: Alt Fire/Reload/Previous+Next Weapons , LSTICK: Move/Strafe, RSTICK: Look, LT: Alt Fire, ABCDXYZ: Jump/Light/Crouch/Use/Reload/ Previou+Next Weapons (Needs Modding)
HALF LIFE: OPPOSING FORCES - First Person Shooter - STICK: Look, ABXY: Move/Strafe, DPAD: Jump/Light/Crouch/Use, LT+DPAD: Alt Fire/Reload/Previous+Next Weapons , LSTICK: Move/Strafe, RSTICK: Look, LT: Alt Fire, ABCDXYZ: Jump/Light/Crouch/Use/Reload/ Previou+Next Weapons (Needs Modding)
HIDDEN AND DANGEROUS - First Person Shooter - STICK: Look, ABXY: Move/Strafe, DPAD: Controls, LT: Jump, LT+DPAD L/R: Select Soldier , LSTICK: Move/Strafe, RSTICK: Look, ABXY: Controls, DPAD L/R: Select Soldier(Needs Modding)
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KISS PSYCHO CIRCUS - First Person Shooter - STICK: Look/Turn, ABXY: Move/Strafe, DPAD: Use/Crouch/Weapons Select , LSTICK: Move/Strafe, RSTICK: Look/Turn, ABCXY: Use/Jump/Crouch/Weapons Select (Needs Modding)
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MAGFORCE RACING - Racing - STICK: Turn, XB: Drift, D-UP: Unlock Engine , LSTICK: Turn, RSTICK: Drift, X: Unlocks Engine (Needs Modding)
MAKEN X - First Person Shooter - STICK: Turn, Move F/B, LT+STICK: Look U/D, RT+STICK: Strafe , LSTICK: Strafe, Move U/D, RSTICK: Turn, Look U/D (Needs Modding)
MAX STEEL - Third Person Shooter - STICK: Move/Turn (Tank Controls) , LSTICK: Move/Turn, RSTICK: Turn (Easier Movement) (Needs Modding)
MDK 2 - Third Person Shooter - STICK: Look U/D & Turn, ABXY: Move & Strafe, DPAD: Items, LSTICK: Move & Strafe, RSTICK: Look & Turn, ABXY: Items (Needs Modding)
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OMIKRON: THE NOMAD SOUL - Third Person Shooter - DPAD: Move & Turn, LT&RT: Strafe , LSTICK: Move & Turn, RSTICK/LT&RT: Strafe (Needs Modding)
OUTRIGGER - First Person Shooter - DPAD: Move, STICK: Look, LT&RT: Turn, LSTICK: Move, RSTICK: Look, RT: Fire, LT: Jump (Needs Modding)
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QUAKE III ARENA - First Person Shooter - Fully Modifiable,, Just needs a controller that can access all MAPLE functions
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RED DOG - Third Person Shooter - STICK: Look, RT: Forward, LT: Back, D-UP/DOWN: Change Camera, A: Fire, X: Shield, LSTICK: Forward/Back, RSTICK: Look, RT: Fire, LT: Shield (Needs Modding)
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SHENMUE - Third Person Adventure - STICK: Look, D-PAD: Move , LSTICK: Move, DPAD: Move, RSTICK: Look (Needs Modding)
SHENMUE II - Third Person Adventure - STICK: Look, D-PAD: Move , LSTICK: Move, DPAD: Move, RSTICK: Look (Needs Modding)
SLAVE ZERO - Third Person Shooter - STICK: Turn & Look, ABXY: Strafe & Move, DPAD: Controls, LSTICK: Strafe & Move, RSTICK: Turn & Look, ABXY: Controls (Needs Modding)
SOLDIER OF FORTUNE - First Person Shooter - STICK: Look, ABXY: Move & Strafe, DPAD: Controls , LSTICK: Move & Strafe, RSTICK: Look, ABXY: Controls (Needs Modding)
SPEC OPS 2: OMEGA SQUAD - First Person Shooter - STICK: Look/Turn, ABXY: Move/Strafe, DPAD: Controls , LSTICK: Move/Strafe, RSTICK: Look/Turn, ABXY: Controls (Needs Modding)
SYSTEM SHOCK 2 - First Person Shooter - ..., ... (Needs Modding)
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TOM CLANCY'S RAINBOW SIX - First Person Shooter - STICK: Look/Turn, ABXY: Strafe/Move, LT+DPAD DOWN: Crouch, DPAD UP+ A/Y: Climb, DPAD UP: Interact, LT: Increase Speed, LSTICK: Strafe/Move, RSTICK: Look/Turn, ABCDXYZ: Controls (Needs Modding)
TOM CLANCY'S RAINBOW SIX: ROGUE SPEAR - First Person Shooter - STICK: Look/Turn, ABCDXYZ: Strafe/Move, LT+DPAD DOWN: Crouch, DPAD UP+ A/Y: Climb, DPAD UP: Interact, LT: Increase Speed, LSTICK: Strafe/Move, RSTICK: Look/Turn, ABXY: Controls (Needs Modding)
TOMB RAIDER: CHRONICLES - Third Person Adventure - HOLD LT: Look, LT: Change Target, RSTICK: Look/Change Target (Needs Modding)
TOMB RAIDER: THE LAST REVELATION - Third Person Adventure - HOLD LT: Look, RSTICK: Look (Needs Modding)
TOY COMMANDER - Third Person Shooter - STICK: Look/Turn, LT: Brake, RT: Forward, A: Machine Gun, B: Special Weapon , LSTICK: Forward/Brake, RSTICK: Look/Turn, LT: Special Weapon, RT: Machine Gun, C(Left Shoulder): Switch Special Weapon, Z (Right Shoulder): Switch Vehicle (Needs Modding)
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UNREAL TOURNAMENT - First Person Shooter - RSTICK: Available, CZD BUTTONS: MAY NEED MODDING IN, CZD BUTTONS: Made Available (Some Modding for additional Buttons)
URBAN CHAOS - Third Person Shooter - DPAD: Walk/Move Camera , RSTICK: Walk/Move Camera (Needs Modding)
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Added a list of games to the first post that could benefit from this project, some will benefit hugely, others only a little, and there may be a couple that don't need the effort. I may also have missed some, so do feel free to add suggestions and changes to this list.

Re: DualStick + CDZ Button DC Controls

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:50 pm
by Motoracer5
Tried Shenmue 1 and 2 last night with left stick as look and ABXY buttons to move. You will definitely want an overclocked dreamcast for this. Was only a decent experience with 240MHZ enabled

Re: DualStick + CDZ Button DC Controls

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:20 pm
by Roareye
Motoracer5 wrote:Tried Shenmue 1 and 2 last night with left stick as look and ABXY buttons to move. You will definitely want an overclocked dreamcast for this. Was only a decent experience with 240MHZ enabled
I don't understand why you'd need an overclocked DC. Shenmue runs just fine as it is, it was built for the system. What did you do to add so much strain to the console?

Hex editing the controls to use the native MAPLE controls shouldn't add any lag, if you're using software to alter the controls then it's no wonder the DC got choked.

Re: DualStick + CDZ Button DC Controls

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:29 pm
by Motoracer5
Shemnue 2 definitely had slow down on the Dreamcast. Swinging a camera around during an already CPU straining part of the game makes lots games slow down. Shenmue probably already pushed the Dreamcast very hard.

I did not edit any code for control input, that is far beyond my knowledge or time available. Also, editing the code for games can introduce bugs or have other unintended effects. Even relatively simple ones like widescreen or GDI shrinking

*I used the Brook adapter to remap control. So nothing that bogs the Dreamcast down anymore.

**Some Dreamcast games have severe slowdown issues, 20% more CPU speed helps a lot with many of them

Re: DualStick + CDZ Button DC Controls

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:40 pm
by Anthony817
Great list you got Roareye!

Re: DualStick + CDZ Button DC Controls

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:06 pm
by Roareye
Motoracer5 wrote:Shemnue 2 definitely had slow down on the Dreamcast. Swinging a camera around during an already CPU straining part of the game makes lots games slow down. Shenmue probably already pushed the Dreamcast very hard.

**Some Dreamcast games have severe slowdown issues, 20% more CPU speed helps a lot with many of them
Sorry I misunderstood your first post. I thought you meant that Shenmue was running slower than usual. A bit of slowdown was pretty standard in pre-Xbox360 consoles. So long as your changes didn't slow down the game more than usual, that's cool.

My Wingman got delayed in the post. Amazon are telling me it'll be with me tomorrow now, which is a bit frustrating.

Re: DualStick + CDZ Button DC Controls

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:41 pm
by Anthony817
Wait, why is System Shock 2 listed? It was actually discovered on a devkit, but it was not more than like 10% completed. I wouldn't even really list that since not much is even playable. I think somebody hacked it to go through more of the first level, but there weren't any enemies.
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